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Found these and figured that people might be interested

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In order to build the most powerful MINI ultimate weapon was developed

Well, "Sports Control Arm"!

The distant past, Suzuka Civic freshman and a trophy from the era of car tuning and maintenance of the FF has been the supreme know-how was injected into the current MINI.

MINI performance of the motion to limit the draw here is the ultimate recipe!

1 ° 30 of the standard value of -1 ° 30 of the caster angle and the MINI NEGATIBUKYANBA KONARINGUMASHIN the fastest to move to.

ANATA have confidence in the arm! The arm is fitted with a MINI is unimaginable to cornering, so please note kindest
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The company is moonface in Japan.

http://www.moonface.co.jp/informatio...7&filter_id=14

They also make the control arm spacers like the ones offered by mini mania

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Old 12-05-2008, 06:01 AM
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The company is moonface in Japan.

http://www.moonface.co.jp/informatio...7&filter_id=14

They also make the control arm spacers like the ones offered by mini mania

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With a MacPherson setup these are pretty useless, and any advantage they could have is completely eliminated by the fact that they didn't space out the tie-rod too. The control arms kind of look weird too, not sure how I feel about how they're constructed.
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you know, i wondered about those spacers and if they actually had any affect
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all I know is that the English text makes me
It was probably put into a text translator. You can tell when it says "NEGATIBUKYANBA KONARINGUMASHIN" when it's supposed to be "Negative Camber Cornering Machine"
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yah i throw all my japanese finds into google translator so that I can understand what they're saying ( a little)
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With a MacPherson setup these are pretty useless, and any advantage they could have is completely eliminated by the fact that they didn't space out the tie-rod too.
How so? If the lower control arm is drooping due to the spacer when the car is at rest, then compressing that corner will actually create a little bit of dynamic negative camber. This is in contrast to lowering the car and having a control arm where the hub end rests higher than or in line with the subframe joints. That would create dynamic positive camber.
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I'll try to decipher this with my japanese rearrangement skills

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In order to build the most powerful MINI ultimate weapon was developed

Well, "Sports Control Arm"!

The distant past, Suzuka Civic freshman and a trophy from the era of car tuning and maintenance of the FF has been the supreme know-how was injected into the current MINI.

MINI performance of the motion to limit the draw here is the ultimate recipe!

1 ° 30 of the standard value of -1 ° 30 of the caster angle and the MINI NEGATIBUKYANBA KONARINGUMASHIN the fastest to move to.

ANATA have confidence in the arm! The arm is fitted with a MINI is unimaginable to cornering, so please note kindest
In order to build the best MINI, an ultimate weapon was developed: "The Sports Control Arm"!

Using information gained from prior years including a trophy from the Suzuka Civic, we were able to apply our previous knowledge of tuning and maintaining FF cars to the MINI.

Pushing the MINI to the limit of its performance is our recipe.

1 ° 30 of the standard value of -1 ° 30 of the caster angle and negative camber makes the MINI a fast corning machine.

You will have confidence in our control arm! The arm, when fitted to the MINI, will provide you with adrenaline from unimaginable cornering.
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:18 AM
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With a MacPherson setup these are pretty useless, and any advantage they could have is completely eliminated by the fact that they didn't space out the tie-rod too. The control arms kind of look weird too, not sure how I feel about how they're constructed.
Those are roll-center adjusters...they put the suspension geometry back into shape after lowering the car.
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Those are roll-center adjusters...they put the suspension geometry back into shape after lowering the car.
I think Adam knows his stuff about those and suspension geometry

He is right though, based on the suspension people I've talked to and the reading I've done in some suspension geometry text books....the roll center adjusters should always be done along with an alteration of the tie-rod geometry in order to avoid crazy bump-steer.

I know ryephile raised up his streering rack while the VW guys make the changes at the other end of the tie rod with spacers or different mounting points.
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i might pick up a set of them to try out.

I need to try and fix some issues that I am having with my car.
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Old 12-10-2008, 01:28 AM
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yah I'm thinking about installing some once I can figure out my plans for the tie-rods.
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oh, i am not going to do teh control arms yet, goign to try the spacer first.
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