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Old 05-13-2012, 03:45 AM
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Default JCW Reps: Sacrilege, or...

Saw these on CL today... Can't decide how I feel about them...

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... at ~$500 *a set*, I'm tempted. Thoughts?

FYI here's the ad: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/3000643479.html
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:28 AM
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Saw these on CL today... Can't decide how I feel about them...

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... at ~$500 *a set*, I'm tempted. Thoughts?

FYI here's the ad: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/3000643479.html
Your better of with new Nuespeed Wheels RSe12
http://www.nm-eng.com/233/24/0/2857/...ght-wheel.html
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:30 PM
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Your better of with new Nuespeed Wheels RSe12
http://www.nm-eng.com/233/24/0/2857/...ght-wheel.html
I think you are missing his point..
The Neuspeed is 260 a piece.

And at that price, you can pick up a better looking set IMO.
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:38 PM
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i think they look fine. as far as sacrilege goes think of all the RS reps out there on Vw's
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:10 PM
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For the money, if that's the style you want, who cares? But if you want a good wheel, spend good money, and get something more unique.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:43 AM
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Reps are immoral.

They're a safety issue too.

I would personally never buy them now that I know more about wheel manufacturing and the industry.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:50 AM
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There are horror stories for all wheels no matter what the brand. take these HRE's for example .

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and we had several local minis with SSR issues .

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Old 05-14-2012, 12:58 AM
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There are horror stories for all wheels no matter what the brand. take these HRE's for example .
You'll notice that none of those have catastrophically exploded or shattered into a million pieces. The HRE issue was one that occurred years ago and has been rectified. The others just seem like cracking from damage....they all seem like damage that would allow you to limp your car off to the side of the road safely. That's alot more to be said than the countless rep wheels that have exploded and fallen apart when they hit a curb or pothole.

Of course there are horror stories for everything. Nothing is perfect. Just like a 5-star crash test rated car could be completely demolished if an accident were brutal enough. I'd still rather drive a 5-star crash rated car than a Yugo, though....even if the Yugo saved me a little money.

That doesn't offer much to the discussion of strength differences. You can always find a few examples of broken wheels all over, but it still stands that companies such as rota use a much lower quality casting process and the number of accidents or failures that result in wheels completely shattering and shearing is much much higher than from reputable companies. You honestly think they can make a complete set of 18" wheels and still make profit at $500 without cutting a few corners in the manufacturing.

By all means, if you have proof that Rota and similar companies use high quality casting processes and quality materials, I'll revoke my prior sentiments. I've talked with chinese wheel casting companies and dealt with multiple wheel manufacturers. Rota uses a process that results in a wheel that is substantially weaker than a quality wheel. You get what you pay for.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:09 AM
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A perfect example. My friend's shop had an accident and it greatly damaged their REAL te37s. Of course they sustained damage.....nothing is perfect. BUT the wheel still held air and allowed them to limp out of traffic. You can tell by the damage....it was a BIG hit.

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Now you look at the rota volk replica and see how they react to an accident. (I could easily find more if I had time to sit on google...wheels shattering is not uncommon in the replica wheel world)

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Old 05-14-2012, 02:06 AM
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There are always a lot of factors that come into play not the least of all are road conditions . I have hit rocks twice with Hammons on and bent the wheel to the point where I lost air pressure ( repairable ) and one other time where I broke a good sized chunk out of it ( non reparable ) . Low profile tires , and air pressure being off , either too high or too low also play a factor on how much a wheel can take . I guess the need for a higher quality wheel may also have something to do with how and where you drive to some degree. As with anything else try fill your need with the best you can afford .

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Old 05-14-2012, 06:34 AM
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Of course all of those play a part in it, but at the end of the day the strength of the wheel is an important aspect of safety.

If someone wants to save a few bucks and purchase a lower strength counterfeit wheel, then so be it. I was just sharing my experience/opinion as requested.

If that's the case and low quality, cheap, replica products are someone's thing, they can always trade in the MINI for one of these guys. I bet their performance is similar to an MCS just like Rotas are to Volks I mean, they both have four wheels, they both have suspension, and they both steer.

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Old 05-14-2012, 04:04 PM
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that one is chinese...it does not steer...
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that one is chinese...it does not steer...
Oh it steers it just doesn't use its turn signal to do so.
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Old 05-14-2012, 05:40 PM
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I have got pictures on my personal computer of knock off Rotas and namebrand 949racing wheels being damaged. It boils down to that has been said multiple times about wheels, you get 2 of 3 choices, strong, cheap, or light.
Stong-cheap does not equal light
Strong-light does not equal cheap
cheap-light does not equal strong
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:03 PM
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You guys have probably seen this already but this is how legit wheels are made

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...=zK51zz7jwNE#!

They are hot forged then age hardened. Which for aluminum alloys creates a micro structure that is both really strong and light.

On the other hand most reps are cast which doesn't give you the same strength characteristics as an age hardened material. Cast metals have a higher ultimate tensile strength but they are very brittle so their impact resistance is much lower. You don't want this on wheels. As you can see on rally's examples that the cast wheels shattered because they were brittle, but the forged wheels bent or cracked, that's because of their resistance to plastic deformation. I learned all this stuff like last week in my materials science class lol.

Basically cast wheels scare me. And I would rather run ugly heavy steelies that I know would just bend under impact than shatter.

Another question. Real OEM Mini cooper wheels are all the time up for sale on nam, why dont you just get a set of those? They are usually around $500 bucks.
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