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Old 08-03-2007, 05:49 AM
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Good write-up on the floor in question:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57511
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Old 08-03-2007, 06:32 AM
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This whole thing is quite interesting. larryherman and I had a little discussion about this tonight and we both feel the same about it...

"And down goes Frasier!" er... I mean McLaren Mercedes.

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Old 08-03-2007, 02:10 PM
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Dennis is an idiot...period...a month ago, he backed off the issue by saying "i dont know anything" to the FIA and now he's here writing a letter. And on top of everything else, at the Aussi GP, the FIA had ruled out all speculations about Ferrari's illegal pieces and approved it.

Kite flying is needed.
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Old 09-13-2007, 05:04 AM
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Tomorrow's the big day... The World Motor Sport Council is reconvening on Thursday Sept. 13 in Paris with new evidence that could be quite damaging to Ron Dennis, Fernando Alonso, (perhaps to a lesser extent Lewis Hamilton), Pedro de la Rosa and the rest of the McLaren Merceds team. Some possible outcomes include: exclusion from this season and next season, loss of constructor points and/or driver's championship points for this season, loss of super licenses for the drivers or maybe even an outright ban of the team from F1.

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlin...12095908.shtml

Also, depending on the ruling tomorrow, the 2007 Championship could all but be decided with 4 races still remaining. Personally, I'm a little anxious to see how this whole thing pans out and I wouldn't mind seeing the arrogant Fernando Alonso loose all his points.
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Also, depending on the ruling tomorrow, the 2007 Championship could all but be decided with 4 races still remaining. Personally, I'm a little anxious to see how this whole thing pans out and I wouldn't mind seeing the arrogant Fernando Alonso loose all his points.
This decision will be huge for F1...if McLaren is excluded for 2007 and possibly 2008, look for a drastic decline in viewership for the remaining 2007 races and bottomline, it's all about the money...they might as well take Bernie out back and shoot him.

If McLaren is guilty, so be it...it's not like the espionage hasn't happened every day of every season past. Take away the enormous impact that Lewis Hamilton has had this season and you have nothing left.

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Yup i agree Rawk...totally agree...

lets see what happens...
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Old 09-13-2007, 05:00 PM
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Preliminary reports...McLaren is banned from F1 for 2007 and 2008!

No specifics yet, but it better be good.
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Good riddance to them cheater a$$hat$. I am probably very alone in my thinking, that's fine with me.

Let's all remember that McLarceny WERE found guilty back in July's WMSC hearing. At the said hearing there was no evidence presented other than from the defense, which was McLarceny. In their decision the council told McLarceny that evidence tells them that McLarcney wasn't completely truthful, then they would be "invited" back to be punished. Lo and behold that is exactly what happened.

As the details have yet to emerge, anything I guess at would be just that, a guess or speculation. But, I suspect that, due to the draconian nature of the punishment, McLarceny was not altogether truthful with exactly how many people in the team possessed this Ferarri IP.

This reminds me of Toyota's exlcusion from WRC back in the mid 90s. This was because it was shown that upper management was fully aware of the transgressions of lower employees. Yet, with that knowledge they didn't ever do the ethical thing.
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i htink mclaren cheating is rediculus but f1 is a big game with big time drama... it happens...

This WILL kill the sport. Who wants to see ferrari run around the track 1 lap ahead of bmw for next 1.5 years... that's just lame.

oh well... i guess i'll be more hardcore about alms now... i guess in a way that's good... that sport deserves some recognition.

EDIT... THEY ARE BONED http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlin...13180240.shtml
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interesting developments... good soap, bad for the sport...
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from the BBC

McLaren hit by constructors' ban

McLaren have been stripped of their points in the 2007 Formula One constructors' championship after the outcome of the 'spygate' row.
The team was also hit with a record $100m (49.2m) fine but drivers Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso will be allowed to keep their points.

The team's 2008 cars will have to be examined before they are allowed to race next season.

McLaren team chief Ron Dennis is due to speak at a 1915 BST news conference.

Full story to follow
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:33 PM
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...what he said. ^^^^
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IF they would have stripped Alonso or Hamilton of there points all fourmula one races grandstands would be empty.
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official site:
http://www.formula1.com/

I hope this comes out well.. against McLaren Since a little kid I was a fan of Ferrari. And since this season there's also the BMW MINI Sauber team with a Polish driver - Robert Kubica (pron. Cubitza) This way he'll be #4 in his first season
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same if they sent McLaren home not to return until 2009...

who actually really cares about the constructors points? It counts I know but I watch because of the racing/drivers...



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