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Old 09-07-2012, 03:54 AM
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I'll give Tyler some of my money, snitches need money too! And Lance sounds exactly the same as these admitted dopers; still in denial, passed lots of tests (we know how reliable the system is with these other cheats getting away with it) and with too much at stake he's hanging in there a bit longer. Book sounds juicy (pun intended) and it sounds like you might learn something about cycling from it. It's a dirty world...
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:15 PM
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If he and all these other top guys are in fact doping, then it doesn't change the fact that he kicked ass. Just like all those body builders back in the schwarzenegger days and probably now. You can compete against steroids with out steroids.

Now if he did, and lied. That's sad. But it doesn't change his level of winning against others who were also doping.
wish it was that simple. there are different levels of doping, if you have access to, and money for, the best doctors (look them up) you will get the better stuff and best application. there is no level playing field, not even amongst dopers. this has been going on for decades, teams and riders staying one step ahead of one another and the cycling & doping organizations.
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:59 AM
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Jealous? Not even close man. This is a simple case of thinking that things are a bit too good to be true, for too long a time. We'll see what officially gets documented by the USADA to the UCI. But there is already talk of the UCI possibly giving all dopers from the past amnesty... how convenient. To be expected from the UCI which also has a history of not taking much action, only when pressed. Because some people just like to keep things quiet. Otherwise the image of cycling gets hurt. Boo Hoo.
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:15 PM
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Cycling is, like most others, a cash powered sport. If there were no doping, the wealthiest teams could buy the fastest natural riders. There's no substantial difference in the final result if you have ten of the best riders on one team, or the ten whose physiologies take doping the best and the ten best doctors. Money will always buy wins, it's just the difference between those wins and the results acheivable by a clean amateur that will change.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:25 PM
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finally

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...mstrong_256599
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:12 PM
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and another

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...-postal_256610
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http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...ll-text_256618

so the full report from USADA as released & submitted to the UCI won't change any ones mind. It reads way too much like a novel, with only a little bit of actual lab evidence, as expected. With Hincapies and Leipheimers dope confessions though it's clear that the system & testing was(is) so flawed that Lances (claimed) 500-600 passed tests mean little to nothing because it was so easy to hide and/or pass. Lance is the last one to stick with the denial, because he's got no other option. I'm waiting for Lance to call George and Levi serial liars like he does with everyone else.
So what's the UCI is going to do. They were(are) part of the problem and clearly didn't want to really uncover any doping issues in the past. Egg on their face if they now admit that they made serious mistakes. There are all these older samples out there but the UCI can't allow retesting because Lance smartly won't release them.
Good chance they will reject the USADA report.

Make up your own mind. I obviously have. Biggest cover up and mess ever in cycling:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...nvolved_256676
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Biggest cover up and mess ever in cycling
That pretty much says it all.
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Nice to see Bruyneel get fired today.
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Here is a little more on the EPO/transfusion/steroid stuff.

http://www.livescience.com/23932-lan...ing-tests.html
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:18 PM
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The funny thing about professional cycling is that it seems to love cannibalizing itself. Everyone thinks of pro cycling as a rife with dope-cheats (which it was), but that's mainly because over the last decade they've aired their dirty laundry so frequently! Like public blood-letting.

While everyone is so obsessed with the truth, has anyone stopped to consider the damage this could do to cycling, especially in the US? Not being from there, it would appear to me that without Lance, cycling would not be enjoying the penetration into the US market that it currently has. For example, would there be a Tour of California?

Will this result in a loss of potential American competitive cyclists and business for cycling-related companies? It's a real shame - because it's also going to blow-back on Lances other enterprise - Livestrong.

I hope Greg LeMond is happy - he can stop turning up and throwing tantrums at Armstrong's public appearances!

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I doubt Lemond is happy. Satisfied that (some of) the truth is coming out? Yes. Happy to have lost his partnership with Trek because of Lance, I don't think so. He's just one of those people that got pushed around by Lance & his lawyers, it will take years to recover from that...
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Yep. Getting blow-back to Australia too. Our 'national' pro team, Green Edge, lost it's sporting director this week. Matt White resigned thanks to being exposed as part of the mess.

The UCI isn't looking too good at the moment either!

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Armstrong to be stripped of titles...


... so they're going to take the moon away from him?

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it was all done in a hollywood studio anyway

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