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Old 10-29-2013, 02:35 AM
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Old 10-29-2013, 02:37 AM
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Old 10-29-2013, 10:52 AM
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Old 10-29-2013, 04:45 PM
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:38 PM
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Old 10-30-2013, 02:06 AM
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:44 AM
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:48 PM
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I've noticed the increasing popularity of massive negative camber on the rear wheels. It's not really my thing, but I've been wondering how the car drives like that. Has anyone driven one? Is the handling twitchy? Not to mention rear tire life. I realize it's done for looks, but you still have to drive the car sometime.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:09 PM
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When I had -5* in the rear I was going through a lot of rear tires. Like 3-4 sets a year.

Also, handling wise with the decreased contract patch handling is not amazing. Rubbing is the part that annoyed the shit out of me when i would get into a turn and just smell tire. I have since gone to a more normal setup and would never go back unless I was on air. The JIC Coilovers I have perform amazing with a proper setup.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:26 PM
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When I had -5* in the rear I was going through a lot of rear tires. Like 3-4 sets a year.
Unless you are doing insane amounts of commuting, 3-4 sets a year means you had a problem with your toe. -5 wouldn't eat tires at that rate.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:31 PM
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I've noticed the increasing popularity of massive negative camber on the rear wheels. It's not really my thing, but I've been wondering how the car drives like that. Has anyone driven one? Is the handling twitchy? Not to mention rear tire life. I realize it's done for looks, but you still have to drive the car sometime.
I had -6 for quite a while....really not a big difference when its in the rear.

-3 up front is an absolute BLAST to drive with. It gets a bit squirrely in the rain, but in the dry the handling benefits are phenomenal.

People who are conservative often overestimate how little changes like this effect a car when driven on the street. All of a sudden they're convinced that you can never drive your car. I drove my car LITERALLY every day and put a good 40k miles on it as one of the lowest MINIs at the time. I did 13 hour road trips, blasts through the Dragon, treks through snow/rain, etc. Never had a problem....enjoyed every minute of it. Street driving is 1/10 of the car's ability. A few degrees of rear camber will be hardly noticeable. I went through tires about once a year with my camber (rotated front to rear once).

On the track, it's a whole different story. Then the cars are being driven 9/10 or 10/10 and those few degrees will probably be the difference of a few seconds and you will notice the differences in turn-in etc.
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Old 10-30-2013, 08:04 PM
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Thanks Rally. I asked because on a car I used to have (86 5.0 LX Mustang) I added a bunch of negative front camber to ee what it would do, and if I went too far with it the car would dart crazily, expecially on highways where trucks left "ruts" that added even more effective camber to one or both of the front wheels. That combined with too much rear roll stiffness made you pay attention.

I let a friend drive the car once, and he actually lost it on a bad section of highway because it lurched hard to the left and he overcorrected. Fortunately he looped it in a straight line on an empty section, so no harm no foul (though he never seemed very interested in the car after that).

Tire wear on that car was ok, until later on when the toe got out. That seemed to trash the front tires quickly.
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Old 10-30-2013, 08:21 PM
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Camber (both functional and/or aesthetic) will definitely make the car "dartier" when applied to the front wheels.

Rear camber also has a much different effect when the car is RWD and your rear traction is important and the car is already looking to find ways to kick the rear end around. On a FWD car, we have to do everything we can (stiffer Rear sways, etc) to make the rear want to kick around.
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Old 10-30-2013, 08:50 PM
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Unless you are doing insane amounts of commuting, 3-4 sets a year means you had a problem with your toe. -5 wouldn't eat tires at that rate.
I drove about 45k miles my first year of ownership if not more.

Also a lot of places were having issues get my alignment perfectly dialed in with the camber which may just be related to poorly trained people.
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