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Old 09-16-2013, 11:16 PM
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1st MINI build - 2006 R53 6spd
2nd MINI build - 2009 R55 6spd
3rd MINI build - 2012 R60 6spd
4th VW build - 1969 Squareback Auto

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Automatic w/Paddle Shifters
Cold Weather
Mini Connected w/o Nav
Prem Pack 2
Sport Pack
Tech Pack
Chrome Color Line
Anthracite Headliner
Satellite Gray Interior Color Line
Rear Fog

Mods:
DONE - 18" R113s
DONE - NM Springs
DONE - Hotchkis 25mm rear sway bar
DONE - NM sway bar end links
DONE - DDM Works exhaust
DONE - Tint
DONE - Clear bra
DONE - BSH Comp Catch Can
DONE - SPC rear lower control arms

COMING - JCW front bumper and side skirts.

MILE 000015 - 09/01/13
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MILE 000700 - 9/22/13
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:00 AM
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bar, coils, end links, rear arms. Waiting on DDM exhaust. 657miles

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Old 09-20-2013, 12:17 AM
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Dang already have the fever!!!!! lol
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:23 AM
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...only had it about 15 days...only has 657 on it because I dragged a buddy on a 400mile round trip to pick his new 85 Landcruiser.

The R55 took almost 2 years, then the old R60 was modded at 3000miles. Trying to get this one 'done' quicker. ...only found 2 of my 4 jackstands so far
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Old 09-22-2013, 04:43 PM
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Suspension done

stock strut and coil, about to install the NM coils
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I love the way the Hotchkis 25mm bar just barely fits...so strong!
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I guess MINI changed the rear suspension bolts. This tossed me for a loop. My last two FWD MINIs used 4 15mm bolts to hold up the rear suspension. The 2013s us etorx/reverse torx bolts. ugh
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The part most forget when putting in a rear sway bar and/or lowering your suspension. I learned the importance of a level sway bar building Jeeps a few years ago.
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result. One finger "gap test" with R113s and 215/40 R18
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:00 PM
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No more countryman? Did you save any parts?

Love eclipse grey on the R56..
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:07 AM
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No more countryman? Did you save any parts?

Love eclipse grey on the R56..
R60 is gone. Selling wheels tires, and some other stuff still.
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The part most forget when putting in a rear sway bar and/or lowering your suspension. I learned the importance of a level sway bar building Jeeps a few years ago.
What's the importance? I've always been curious.

Clean car Very nice.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:39 AM
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What's the importance? I've always been curious.

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This illustration helps a bit. The bar is most effective in it's most level state. When we lower vehicles the stock links end up being too long and push the bar up and out of the "preferred zone". Anything out of that zone make the bar less effective and adds to body roll.

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Old 09-23-2013, 04:57 AM
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I understand the preferred zone, but I guess what I'm asking is what does the angle of the sway bar have to do with it's ability to do it's job? It would seem that its angle doesn't effect its performance. It's something that I've always been curious about.

Perhaps the angle of the end link to the swaybar could become too extreme when dealing with extreme travel (rock crawling jeeps?), but I've measured this angle on a MINI and even at full compression it's not too extreme.

Sorry, just something I've always seen mentioned but never figured out.
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:26 PM
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While off-roading the sway bar is actually disconnected. The proper angle is more important to the off-road vehicle while driving.

All I can add to a discussion about why having a level sway bar is what I have been told by others. I'm not and aerospace engineer or a race car frame builder, I own a couple coffee shops.

I would assume the strength in this position comes from the frame and sway bar ends being on the same plane. Strength may also come from the 90 degree angle created by the sway bar end and the end link.

Does this relate and carry over to a rear sway bar on the MINI, possibly. I do know that this Hotchkiss bar has three settings. On my old R55 I ran it in all three positions. The first position would drop the angle of the bar slightly. Aligning it more correctly with the trailing arm, and it tightens the car. While the third position raised the end of the bar loosening the car(in reference to the other two settings on the bar). I know it has an effect. I'm just not knowledgable about it enough to articulate(pun) as to why.
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:49 PM
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I do know that this Hotchkiss bar has three settings.
I assume you mean the bar has three holes but 6 stiffness settings...

1&1
2&2
3&3
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Old 09-24-2013, 12:44 AM
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I assume you mean the bar has three holes but 6 stiffness settings...

1&1
2&2
3&3
1&2
1&3
2&3
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:58 PM
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1425 miles

DONE - DDM Works exhaust
DONE - Tint
DONE - Clear bra

COMING - BSH Comp Catch Can
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:20 PM
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I ordered the JCW aero last week, It'll be here Monday. Do you guys dislike the rear JCW bumper as much as I do? I just ordered the front bumper and side skirt kits only.

After taking this pic I think I need to bring in the Euro, marker less flares. Ya?

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